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Reb Hillel,
Well, we should not jump to conclusions yet. The Talmud says:
"3 keys are only in the hands of HaKadosh Baruch Hu that were not given in the hands of a Sholiach (Agent) (1) the key of rain (2) the key of CHILDBIRTH (mafteach shel chayoh) (3) the key of the resurrection of the death"
The gemorre asks the question: "How do we know the key of child birth: its written וַיִּזְכֹּר אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-רָחֵל; וַיִּשְׁמַע אֵלֶיהָ אֱלֹהִים, וַיִּפְתַּח אֶת-רַחְמָהּ And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened to her, and opened her wom (Gen 30:22)"
See; Talmud Bavli: Taanis 2a-b
The Talmud teaches that childbirth in only in the hands of Hashem. And, like Philo, brings Rachel as an example. The Talmud does not speak of immaculate conception here, just that all childbirth come from Hashem. Maybe we should read Philo in this light?
Than again he says: "...she DID NOT RECEIVE SEED or fertility from any creature--but from God himself" so this seems difficult to get around, even in the light of the Talmud.
Philo has said many ideas that also correspond with Christian Theology. His version of Logos is very similar as how the Gosple of John uses it. He speaks of a Trinity of Thoes, Logos ans Sophia. etc. All these ideas is not the Judaism of philo but the Neo-Platonic (I would even say Mystical) Hellenistic ideas that dominated all of the ancient world (especially the in Alexandria of Philo). Think about Osirus-Diyonisus and Egyptian non-Jewish myth about a man who was born from a virgin, thought wisdom, died on the cross for mankind. This was 200 years before the Jesus story. Like the early Jewish-Christians, Philo tried to harmonize Hellenistic Neo-Platonic (mystical?) ideas with his Tenach. He writes himself that the Greek Philosophers got their knowledge from the Jews so for him it was normal to see scripture in that light.
All the best,
Yoelishkeit
Well, we should not jump to conclusions yet. The Talmud says:
"3 keys are only in the hands of HaKadosh Baruch Hu that were not given in the hands of a Sholiach (Agent) (1) the key of rain (2) the key of CHILDBIRTH (mafteach shel chayoh) (3) the key of the resurrection of the death"
The gemorre asks the question: "How do we know the key of child birth: its written וַיִּזְכֹּר אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-רָחֵל; וַיִּשְׁמַע אֵלֶיהָ אֱלֹהִים, וַיִּפְתַּח אֶת-רַחְמָהּ And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened to her, and opened her wom (Gen 30:22)"
See; Talmud Bavli: Taanis 2a-b
The Talmud teaches that childbirth in only in the hands of Hashem. And, like Philo, brings Rachel as an example. The Talmud does not speak of immaculate conception here, just that all childbirth come from Hashem. Maybe we should read Philo in this light?
Than again he says: "...she DID NOT RECEIVE SEED or fertility from any creature--but from God himself" so this seems difficult to get around, even in the light of the Talmud.
Philo has said many ideas that also correspond with Christian Theology. His version of Logos is very similar as how the Gosple of John uses it. He speaks of a Trinity of Thoes, Logos ans Sophia. etc. All these ideas is not the Judaism of philo but the Neo-Platonic (I would even say Mystical) Hellenistic ideas that dominated all of the ancient world (especially the in Alexandria of Philo). Think about Osirus-Diyonisus and Egyptian non-Jewish myth about a man who was born from a virgin, thought wisdom, died on the cross for mankind. This was 200 years before the Jesus story. Like the early Jewish-Christians, Philo tried to harmonize Hellenistic Neo-Platonic (mystical?) ideas with his Tenach. He writes himself that the Greek Philosophers got their knowledge from the Jews so for him it was normal to see scripture in that light.
All the best,
Yoelishkeit
