reb_hillel ([info]reb_hillel) wrote,
@ 2007-12-10 21:17:00
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is this "immaculate conception" in Philo???
Found this. It's in Philo's Allegorical Interpretation, book III:
LXIII. (179) And he uttered this prayer, blaming Joseph the statesman and governor, because he had ventured to say, "I will feed them in that Land,"{87}{#ge 45:11.} for, "hasten ye," said Joseph, "and go up to my father, and say unto him, Thus says Joseph," and so on, and presently he adds, "Come down unto me, and do not tarry, come with all thou hast, and I will feed thee in that land; for still the famine lasts for five years." Jacob, therefore, speaks as he does reproving and at the same time instructing this imaginary wise man, and he says to him, "O my friend, know thou that the food of the soul is knowledge, which it is not the word which is intelligible by the external senses that can bestow, but God only who has nourished me from youth, and from my earliest age till the time of perfect manhood, he shall fill me with it. (180) Joseph therefore was treated in the same way with his mother Rachel, for she also thought that the creature had some power; on which account she used the expression, "Give me children," but the supplanter [=Jacob (HCY)], adhering to his proper character, says to her, "You have used a great error; for I am not in the peace of God, who alone is able to open the womb of the soul, {88}{#ge 30:1.} and to implant virtues in it, and to cause it to be pregnant, and to bring forth what is good. Consider also the history of thy sister Leah, and you will find that she did not receive seed or fertility from any creature--but from God himself." "For the Lord, seeing that Leah was hated, opened her womb, but Rachel was Barren."{89}{#ge 29:31.} (181) And consider, now, in this sentence, again, the subtlety of the writer spoken of. God opens the wombs, implanting good actions in them, and the womb, when it has received virtue from God, does not bring forth to God, for the living and true God is not in need of any thing, but she brings forth sons to me, Jacob, for it was for my sake, probably, that God sowed seen in virtue, and not for his own. Therefore, another husband of Leah is found to be passed over in silence, and another father of Leah's children, for he is the husband who openeth the womb, and he is the father of the children to whom the mother is said to bear them.
(Translation taken from http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/yonge/book4.html)

My thought: Wow!




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[info]awful_dynne
2007-12-11 04:43 am UTC (link)
When was Philo writing?

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[info]reb_hillel
2007-12-11 06:38 am UTC (link)
Probably late in the evening, after having a few too many drinks. ;)

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[info]awful_dynne
2007-12-11 03:03 pm UTC (link)
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What time frame in terms of years was he writing in? Who were his contemporaries?

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[info]reb_hillel
2007-12-18 02:44 pm UTC (link)
early hellenistic jew living in alexandria. Φίλων ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς. lived about 20BCE to 50CE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo

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[info]tobeginagain
2007-12-15 06:43 pm UTC (link)
Did you see this?
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=927135&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0

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[info]yoelishkeit
2008-08-10 04:08 pm UTC (link)
Reb Hillel,

Well, we should not jump to conclusions yet. The Talmud says:
"3 keys are only in the hands of HaKadosh Baruch Hu that were not given in the hands of a Sholiach (Agent) (1) the key of rain (2) the key of CHILDBIRTH (mafteach shel chayoh) (3) the key of the resurrection of the death"

The gemorre asks the question: "How do we know the key of child birth: its written וַיִּזְכֹּר אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-רָחֵל; וַיִּשְׁמַע אֵלֶיהָ אֱלֹהִים, וַיִּפְתַּח אֶת-רַחְמָהּ And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened to her, and opened her wom (Gen 30:22)"

See; Talmud Bavli: Taanis 2a-b

The Talmud teaches that childbirth in only in the hands of Hashem. And, like Philo, brings Rachel as an example. The Talmud does not speak of immaculate conception here, just that all childbirth come from Hashem. Maybe we should read Philo in this light?

Than again he says: "...she DID NOT RECEIVE SEED or fertility from any creature--but from God himself" so this seems difficult to get around, even in the light of the Talmud.

Philo has said many ideas that also correspond with Christian Theology. His version of Logos is very similar as how the Gosple of John uses it. He speaks of a Trinity of Thoes, Logos ans Sophia. etc. All these ideas is not the Judaism of philo but the Neo-Platonic (I would even say Mystical) Hellenistic ideas that dominated all of the ancient world (especially the in Alexandria of Philo). Think about Osirus-Diyonisus and Egyptian non-Jewish myth about a man who was born from a virgin, thought wisdom, died on the cross for mankind. This was 200 years before the Jesus story. Like the early Jewish-Christians, Philo tried to harmonize Hellenistic Neo-Platonic (mystical?) ideas with his Tenach. He writes himself that the Greek Philosophers got their knowledge from the Jews so for him it was normal to see scripture in that light.

All the best,
Yoelishkeit

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