reb_hillel ([info]reb_hillel) wrote,
@ 2007-09-09 18:51:00
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Another thought on עקידת יצחק -- the Binding of Isaac
Whenever I think about the Biblical story of the Binding of Isaac (which happens every year around Rosh HaShanah, as well as when we read Parashat Vayera, among other times), I think back to when I was in Grade 3 (Third Grade, for you Americans).

No, my father didn't drag me out of the house early one morning and try to slaughter me on some mountaintop.

My Grade 3 Hebrew teacher was a nice old woman, a holocaust surviver, named Gita Krohn. She was not religious/Shomer Shabbat... She davened at the big C shul in the city. But her Hebrew was decent so they let her teach.

We learned about the Akeidah in Chumash class. Our teacher had a display of the Akeidah, done with Playmobile, at the back of the classroom.

And I remember one day in class, Geveret Krohn went around the classroom and asked us 9-year-olds -- if God had asked us to sacrifice our sons, would we obey or disobey?

People said different things. When it came to my turn, I had given it a lot of thought and answered "While I wish I'd have the belief, dedication, courage etc. to do whatever God told me to do, I suspect that in reality I'd probably love my son so much that I just wouldn't be able to go through with it."

A few kids later, it was my best friend's turn to answer. And he said, "Of course if God told me to do it, I'd listen". I was very close with this friend. His family was not religious, he took some interest in Judaism perhaps mainly due to our friendship and his trying to imitate my observance, but basically he wasn't really Shomer Shabbat.

I remember feeling so sad and ashamed, that that friend was able to answer "yes", while I, the religious kid, wasn't strong enough in my faith to do so!



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[info]wotyfree
2007-09-09 06:05 pm UTC (link)
I think that story is intended to show us that perfect faith is not expected of us, nor is it desirable for us.

Abraham's life was such that he developed it. That is admirable in a sense, but it's not for us. We are expected to evaluate things for ourselves.

This makes "what would you do if God told you to kill your son" entirely inconceivable to us, because we simply do not have that relationship. We're not supposed to be capable of answering yes, because we're not close enough to God to have that override everything we understand about morality.

And we're not supposed to be, and getting into a mental state in which you can imagine killing your son would be monstrosity, not piety. Even Abraham had to argue with God and see that Sodom and Gomorrah really did need to be destroyed before he was capable of that kind of relationship. For us to override ourselves in that way without that kind of experience is a presumption and an abomination.

It is for Abraham. Not for us. Without all the other things that go along with it, it is not right.

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[info]reb_hillel
2007-09-09 06:34 pm UTC (link)
Avraham gets criticized a lot for arguing with God over Sedom and Amorah, but not over killing his own son.

Anyway, my main point of recalling this story, is that nowadays i find it amusing that this was what would go through my head as a nine-year-old.

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[info]wotyfree
2007-09-09 06:47 pm UTC (link)
I know that he is. I don't think it's called for.
I think that he argued because it seemed inconceivably horrible, then God showed him it was actually necessary, and then he realized that God was always right about such things. But that's not appropriate for one who has not had such an experience.

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[info]beckyms
2007-09-10 11:51 am UTC (link)
I think it's a sign of being someone who's very concerned with morality. Your answer was very articulate for a 9 year old, and your feelings about your friend's answer impressed me. I'd say they reveal someone with a strong desire to be good, moral.

I didn't find it funny so much as heartbreaking. I generally think adults ought to be very careful about proposing moral questions this way. I would have wanted to protect a 9 year old from forming that sort of conclusion about himself - at the least, help him have a perspective about it.

I agree with the person who said that it wasn't really appropriate for a teacher to put children on the spot with answering that question. It might have been an interesting question to have you think over and possibly to write about but not to share with everyone - and even then, only after giving some guidance - such as what Woty said about no one else being close enough to God to really be able to fully conceive of doing such a thing.

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[info]reb_hillel
2007-09-10 07:35 pm UTC (link)
The Judaics teachers in my school generally weren't of high calibre. Teachers knowledgable in Hebrew/Torah were rare, so anyone who could speak and read Hebrew was given the job. Mrs. Krohn was a nice old lady who tried her best, and had lots of impact on lots of her students' lives. She once told me I was her favourite student and gave me presents... :)

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[info]beckyms
2007-09-10 08:49 pm UTC (link)
She sounds very sweet. :)

My grandma was (and still is) a sweet old lady who gave me (and every kid in her neighborhood) lots of treats and presents and talked to me quite a lot about the Bible, moral issues, etc. I don't think she quite realized how frightening some of the Biblical stories were to me. When I was a kid, I remember feeling frequently that there was simply no way I, or anyone else I knew (except maybe my grandma), was good enough to get into Heaven.

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